Saturday, February 14, 2009

Skeptics Vs. Believers

Pictured above is what is commonly known as the most famous and most authentic image of a ghost ever captured on film. It is the picture known as, "The Brown Lady", taken from Raynharn Hall in England, in 1936. In this era, it was a tad more difficult to deliberately alter a picture to make an image like this appear. Was it impossible? NO. There's always the double exposure factor. Experts have diligently investigated every aspect of the photo, and most of these experts have yet to be able to completely "debunk" this photo. However, there is a slew of skeptics who have done all they can to prove that this picture is as false as their imaginations. I look a this picture and I only have one conclusion.....It's a ghost!

My name is Mike and I reside in Phoenix, Arizona. I have some family members and a number of friends, like my blogging partner Julie, who share this same paranormal interest. My sister Kelly and I first took a serious interest in the ghostly world about seven years ago while we were still living in southern California. It was around Halloween and I remember that we saw some Travel Channel special that talked briefly about a house in Old Town, San Diego called The Whaley House (pictured below). Check out my blog about it: America's Most Haunted: The Whaley House. We realized how close it was to us, just a forty minute drive from our house in Oceanside. We went there, learned more about the history, and have been hooked on this paranormal field ever since.

Being a believer in ghosts is like being a believer in anything that's a little out of this realm. You have to deal with you share of people who believe the exact opposite (known as skeptic). There is a fine difference, in my opinion, between believers and skeptical people. Believers in ghosts just believe. Sometimes these believers have had some kind of experience in their past with an actual spirit. some, like me have never had any true contact with a ghost but I still believe because I have no reason not to believe. I fell like it's a much easier path. I was once quoted as calling skeptics close minded. I still believe that to a degree, but have slightly changed my view.

Personally, I still do think most skeptics are closed minded, because they only believe one thing and that's it. This makes them stubborn. Now I'll be the first to admit that I'm stubborn, but isn't everyone to a degree?? Anyway, these skeptics, they do all in their power to prove every bit of ghostly evidence that is caught is something explainable (refracted or reflective light, a camera malfunction, etc.). These people analyze ghost pictures for hours on end, doing fancy tricks on photoshop and other computer programs on the sort, just to prove us believers wrong. Funny thing is, us believers will look at a picture for about twenty minutes, do a photoshop analysis and still come to the conclusion it's a ghost. We (at least MOST of us) aren't out to prove skeptic wrong, but to just show evidence trying to prove our case. Skeptics do the exact opposite....they try to suck the fun out of our experiences. What's their motives behind that? I may never know, but I just want to have my fun!









Yes, close minded skeptics sole purpose is to prove us wrong. Why? What is your reasoning for this? Do you feel you have to be right? Because on my end, I don't have to be right. I am fully aware that a lot of evidence can in fact be explained to common every day, human factors. I understand that reflected light can appear in a photo in the form of ghostly face. That's what separates some of us believers, like me, from those skeptics I deem as close minded. It's in my opinion, that to firmly believe in something, you have to willing to accept the opposite could be possible. I am an avid believer, it would take a lot to change my mind on the subject (there's that stubbornness we all possess) but I am open to the fact that this whole world I've immersed myself in has been one giant hoax.

I may get criticized for this, but I'm going to say it for the purpose of this article. I am a believer in God. I'm a believer in Jesus and a Divine power. This isn't my point, however, Religion is one of the most debatable things on this planet. There are so many religious beliefs, so many supposed God's, no one really knows what's true and what's not, but we all still have our beliefs that every other religion tries to point out as being the wrong one. Thing is, I've never seen Jesus, I've never seen God with my own true eyes, but I still firmly believe in them and you won't alter that belief in me. I'm sure most people in most religions have never physically seen their "God", but they still believe. It is a big thing with skeptics to say, "Well I don't believe because I've never see it"......Psh. I can believe in a divine power such as God, why is so hard to believe in things like aliens and ghosts, and why is so hard to accept that we believe in them? Most of us won't see God while living on the current Earth, but we know we will see Him in Heaven, that's SUCH a strong thing to believe in even though I've never seen Him. Are you getting my point?

Question, aren't there a lot of physical thing in this world you haven't seen? How many of you have seen an actual two headed snake? Like, in person? Well there's a picture below for you to see. A common thing for skeptics is they have to see it to believe it. Which is perfectly fine and understandable. But it's the skeptic who use that as their crutch in being so defensive that everything I believe in isn't real. Just because YOU haven't seen it and choose not to believe in it, doesn't mean I'm not allowed to believe in it for my own reasons. If I asked that question, have you ever seen a two headed snake, some would say, "well that's stupid". There are hundreds of pictures of them, hundreds of accounts of people who have actually seen them, there's video, articles, on and on they would go. that's weird, isn't their thousands of article , book, first hand accounts, pictures, videos, etc. of ghosts?? Hmm.


I'm not trying to point fingers and call all skeptics idiots. I have skeptical friends. None of them are these close minded ones. they are all at least open to the possibility. That's all I ask for. I will reiterate my point: To be a true and honest believer in something, you have to believe that there is the slightest potential of the exact opposite of that belief. If you believe in Heaven, you have to at least thing there could be a Hell. If you believe in ghosts, you have to at least think it's all been a world full of fake. We can't all just believe in the light and bubbly side of things. I mean, we CAN, but just at least stretch that belief a smidgen. Same goes true for non-believers: If you believe ghost aren't real, you have to at least be willing to think they could be real. If you cannot believe in the possibility of an opposite, you may be close minded. That is the kind of skeptic I can't stand.

I guess you could argue that I'm being one sided here. I'm really not trying to come off that way. Every single human being is entitled to their opinions and beliefs and every one of those people should stay true to those beliefs. I'm not saying you have to read this article and change your mind if you are a skeptic. That's the opposite of what I want. I'm just trying to enhance my point and my opinion on that matter, and take it for what you will. I just get a little irritated at the people who are only willing to accept one side of something and not even give a single thought to the other side.

I hope I haven't come off as being mean, I'm really a nice person. A nice person who loves ghosts! This blog will be dedicated to that. With the help of my best friend's Mom, Julie, my sister Kelly and maybe some other guest blogger, we will provide enough knowledge on the world of ghosts. We aren't here to rub these things in your faces, we are just here to provide what we have.

We have called ourselves TAGO, which stands for The Arizona Ghost Organization. The picture above is the TAGO group that went with us to the Copper Queen Hotel in Bisbee, Arizona. Not all in the picture are true believers but are open to seeing the posibilities. We are all however fans of TAPS, The Alantic Paranormal Society, led by Jason Hawes and Grant Wilson. They have a show on Sci-fi called Ghost Hunters. It's one of my favorite shows.

It is sci-fi's most watched program and deservedly so. Their technique on Ghost Hunting is very effective and very smart. They go into a house, or old building that claims to be haunted and try to debunk every claim. doors that open by themselves, phantom smells of cigar smoke or perfume, voices, phantom footsteps, etc. They do all they can to prove those things are happening for human or physical world reasons. A lot of the time, MOST of the time they are able to debunk these claims due to bad plumbing, or maybe wood expanding in the humidity to make a door open. These are smart guys, and also, they are not skeptics.

They set up an average of four digital video cameras throughout the place they are investigating. They do walk through with thermal imaging cameras, electronic voice recorders, hand held video and digital still cameras. After their investigation, they go over everything and try to catch evidence of a ghost. Whatever evidence they can't debunk, is evidence of the paranormal. It's a very noble way of ghost investigation, and one I love.

TAGO is just getting started in investigating haunted places. Last August, 2008, we stayed the night at the haunted Copper Queen Hotel in Bisbee, Arizona. Click here to read about what happened. We hope to go back there and other haunted places Arizona. We also hope to expand to other states as well.

BOO....

--Mike--

7 comments:

  1. I agree about skeptic and believers. It really breaks down into the "believe in God without question" or "question the existence of God." But there are the agnostics in the ghost hunting realm, and that's probably what I'd say I am. I absolutely definitely believe in unexplainable phenomenon, but whether it's launched from the spirit world, I'm not so sold on that yet. The "G" word for me is an iffy one. Sometimes I see something that I think could be intelligent, could be a continuation of the living plane, but most of the time I either find the explainable or I find things that may lie in the realm of principles of physics we don't yet know. I understand full-blown skeptics (my husband). If you haven't had anything extraordinary occur to you, you just can't believe it. It's like that personal moment when a person prays to God and then feels a sudden relief and a phone call from a loved one that everything's okay. That's enough to make you believe. Skeptics have no reason to believe. I have yet to meet a skeptic who had something truly unexplainable happen to him. It changes you immediately. When my skeptical son had an interaction with a shadow person with his best friend present experiencing it too, they both walked away believing. What they believe in, like me, is uncertain. Is it souls of dead people? History locked in a place? Something in the realm of quantam physics? Human perception being altered by geomagnetic forces? So, don't rule out skeptics completely. Some day, they might have an "aha" experience that makes them hunt. I grew up with these experiences since I was a toddler and they seemed quite normal to me until I found out the world doesn't normally have such occurrences. I still tend to think of them as very normal. I'd say I'm a skeptic about ghosts existing (in the traditional sense of souls who didn't find their final destination), but not a skeptic about paranormal incidents. I'll know it when I see it. When I feel an interaction. Even then, I might consider it's coming from another dimension or another form of life we can't actually visually see with human eyes. I'm still not sold on souls, but I want to be. Why else would sites with lots of dramatic deaths be so "haunted"? Of course, they could be haunted because the history is steeped in the floor boards like a tea bag steeping in hot water. Oh boy, you can see it's an exciting challenge to hunt when you're a skeptic. I think we all look for the answer that satisfies question of what just happened to us when we experienced something paranormal. You get five people in a room that all see the same face on a wall and you'll have five different explanations. So, it's not really black and white, it can be shades of gray including scientific explorers and spiritual explorers. Happy hunting and hope you have lots of "aha" moments.

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  2. Thank you Autumn for your comment! I actually worked on this blog when we first started our other blog a few months back. This was the very first blog we ever had I believe.

    I don't want to sound rude towards skeptics, because they are entitled to their beliefs as well! I just think there are the skeptics who just stubbornly say all these things have no possibility of existing. It's the skeptics who just aren't open to accept certain things. Those people bother me.

    I believe in God without question. I am a Christian. I have a friend who's a super Christian and has told me to stop meddling in this field because "ghosts don't exist, only the devils dominions do. These ghosts are actually demons and if I chose to search them out, I am going against God." She's a good friend, and means well, but I cannot believe that. I don't bust out a Ouija board and ask them to enter my body, I just like to investigate them. I don't believe all ghosts ARE demons, some however are and I understand that. But because I like to try to document ghosts, by no means means that I don't know who Jesus was (or at least try to know).

    I just feel a LOT of skeptics are only out to prove us wrong and aren't willing to hear our side as to why we believe certain evidence is proof of a ghost. But these people are just to stubborn and full of themselves (that may sound a little harsh) that they just don't care.

    --Mike--

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  3. I am a believer. I can't remember when it all started. Perhaps it was the time when I was a little girl spending the night at a friends house. I woke up in the middle of the night and saw a white figure in the doorway. I was so scared that I threw the covers over my head and laid awake all night. Or, perhaps I have always believed. I always loved watching all the ghost, UFO, bigfoot specials that I could get my hands on. I was just fasinated by it all. Then a couple of years ago, I was channel surfing, looking for something else to watch other than reruns. I came across the episode of Ghost Hunters at the Bird Cage Theatre in Tombstone. I decided to watch since I have been there on several occasions. I was blown away by the whole show, the investigation, their experiences and the results. My thirst for more was fueled by the next episode where the GH team was investigating the St. Augustine Lighthouse. We all know what they captured there? I became more of a believer and wanted to know more. To me, I believe there are different types of skeptics. You have your hard core skeptic that is stubborn, rude, feels they are right no matter what and will not open their minds to anything that is beyond this realm. If they came face to face with bigfoot, an alien or an apparition, they will have some logical reason why they are seeing them. Then there are skeptics that don't believe in the unknown but have they minds open to the possibilities. These skeptics were some of our friends that joined us at the Copper Queen Hotel. Then, like Autumn said, there are skeptics that don't believe until something unusual happens to them they can't explain. These skeptics become believers. What a wonder country we live in were we are free be a skeptic or a believer and blog about our beliefs. I will just put my hand in front of a skeptic's face and tell them, "I know what I believe and I don't care what you say about it"!!!

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  4. Wonderful post Mike and wonderful comments as always-I am so glad that you are a secure enough person in yourself to put your beliefs out there! I loved the thoughts about skeptics v believers! Thanks for putting the 'Tombstone' ghost image in here also(I could be wrong about location) I think great posts are ones that get your mind working on many different levels and yours and Julies and Autumns always do-when my grandmother -who was a believer in the Bible-passed away in 1994 -I begged in my heart and soul for some kind of sign she was all right as I was very close to her-she always had a saying that 'Psalms are good for the soul'I do not know if this was a sign or not as it was a perfectly explainable phenomenon-but about two weeks after she passed my dad and I were on the patio talking about her-it had just rained-it was funny -for a sec I thought I heard her voice in my mind saying go look at the sky-well I got up and looked and there was the most astonshingly beautiful rainbow in the sky I have ever seen-it even beat out some of the ones I saw on the isle of Kauai for the very short time I was there-great post and thoughts as always-best to all of you!

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  5. I admit, that although I'm on the line as far as ghosts being souls of the departed, I do understand your feelings about skeptics. They are just as hardcore "it can't exist no matter what you say" as believers who are "I believe without question or proof." I think it's just like the Christian/Athiest battle. If you've ever heard of Amazing Randy the magician who has a 1 million dollar offer for proof of psychics, then you know what a skeptic can be like. No matter what proof you give them, they will be able to explain it away. Once you have a stance, it's hard to give it up, it's like rooting for a football team. I know that with our knowledge in science where it is right now, a fraction of phenomenon cannot be explained by any principals we know of and by no ordinary means such as air-conditioning ducts. A die-hard skeptic is equally hard for me to work with, as well as the hardcore believers. People aren't open to seeing any other possibilities at all once they have a position on phenomenon. Anything unexplained to a believer is a ghostly action, and anything unexplained to a skeptic is something we just haven't figured out yet like a broken windowsill letting a stream of air in. It's frustrating for me because what I'm seeking to do is sort out the ordinary from the extraordinary and then to try and find links and commonalities so we can decide once and for all--is this ghosts or something else we aren't aware of yet? I'm totally open to the concept of ghosts and when the timing of phenomenon seems to be a response to a question, I get quite intrigued at the existence of ghosts, but I hate for us to put everything into the departed souls theory when we might be dealing with something just as exciting and amazing such as two time periods rubbing up against each other or two dimensions interacting or some sort of invisible life form that mimics us. I love the possibilities and I'm open to them all. I sure hope skeptics can experience more of these events that can't be explained. They certainly rattle your cage. I think there's a place in ghost hunting for Christians, although admittedly I'm not sure how they can reconcile that God would leave behind souls who aren't aware their own loved ones have died and moved on too, but I also believe that people who think everything is something evil have left their (usually Catholic) upbringing scare them of everything. Once you put that much magic and ritual and miracles and angels and demons into religion, all things are scary and possible. Sort of like "Skeleton Key" once you believe, you're susceptible. I don't believe in evil as some unmanned entity, so I have nothing to fear about possession and being hurt and all that. When I started ghost hunting, all my fundamental/evangelical relatives freaked out. They don't even talk to me now. In fact, it helped me sort out the dead weight in my life. Sometimes, you have to plug on and find something with your convictions intact. Ghost hunting maybe more hip now thanks to "TAPS", but for many folks it's downright scary, so confessing you hunt is a huge thing. Keep up the ghost hunting and keep up what you know in your gut. The gut has a funny way of warning you and preparing you. With enough experiences under your belt, you build a hypothesis, but always be certain you're remaining open-minded and not seeing it the way you want to see it but the way it is. That's my advice to hunters out there.

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  6. Thanks everyone for your input on this subject of skeptics and believers. I agree that there are hardcore believers as well as hardcore skeptics. Both are strong in their confictions and beliefs and will not be open to any changes in their thoughts no matter what. We just can't let them bother us, just stay true to what we believe. I'm still learning alot from reading other's blogs and comments about different paranormal phenomenon. I do appreciate them.

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